Sir William Fiennes Knight [10580]
Joan Say [10581]
Sir William Fiennes Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex [10582]
Elizabeth Battisford [10583]
James Fiennes 1st Baron Say and Sele [46656]


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Emmeline Crowmer [46657]

James Fiennes 1st Baron Say and Sele [46656] 25

  • Born: 1394, Hurstmonceaux, Sussex, England
  • Marriage: Emmeline Crowmer [46657] about 1419 in Willingham, Cambridgeshire, England
  • Died: 4 Jul 1450 at age 56
  • Buried: All Hallows, Grey Friars, London, England

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For service in the Hundred Years War in France, Henry V awarded him with the lordship of Court-le-Comte, the governorship of Arques, and Captain-Generalship of towns on the Seine. He built Knole, co. Kent, with spoils from service in France. From the time he attended Henry VI at his coronation in Paris in 1431, he steadily advanced in royal offices including those of King's Serjeant, Knight of the Body, Constable of Dover Castle, Warden of the Cinque Ports, King's Chamberlain, member of the Privy Council, Constable of the Tower, and finally Treasurer of England. This latter position he held from 22 Sep 1449 until 22 Jun 1450 when the weak Henry VI yielded to the indictment of the House of Commons scapegoating Fiennes for the loss of Anjou and Maine and remanded him to the Tower. While awaiting trial, Jack Cade's mob seized him in the Tower and dragged him to the Standard at Cheapside where he was beheaded\emdash his gory end being dramatized in Shakespeare's Henry VI.
James Fiennes was created Baron Saye and Sele by Letters Patent from Henry VI by 24 Feb 1447 and summoned to Parliament for the first time 3 Mar 1447. Geoffrey White concluded that although the actual patent disappeared and was never enrolled there could be no doubt that the remainder vested to the heirs male of the body of the grantee and that the title did not arise from a writ of summons that at that time probably would have descended to heirs general. These tangled claims have led historians and genealogists astray. This compound title was partly personal, commemorating the grantee's descent from his grandmother's family, the Lords Say, a title since 1399 in abeyance between the heirs of Idonea Say Clinton and Joan Say Fiennes; and partly territorial, after Sele, formerly called Beeding, a priory in Saumur, co. Kent. After becoming a peer, he abandoned the Fiennes arms, Azure, three lions rampant or, for those of the Lords Say, Quarterly, or and gules. Sir Anthony Wagner links these arms with the families of Beauchamp of Bedford, Clavering, Lacy, and Vere because they, as well as the Saye family, were all connected with the rebel Earl of Essex, Geoffrey De Mandeville, who died in 1144. They are based on the quarterly coat of or and gules adopted by Essex


James married Emmeline Crowmer [46657] [MRIN: 551611183], daughter of Sir William Crowmer Lord Mayor of London [46658] and Margaret Squery Baroness Poynings [46659], about 1419 in Willingham, Cambridgeshire, England.

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